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Declining Birth Rate - Let's Do It For The Country - Lights Off & Action!
Last Post 06 Mar 2010 11:16 PM by henny. 93 Replies.
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calistagal
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| 26 Jan 2010 03:36 PM |
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haha! agree that lights on or not... not that important.
importantly is our mindset and whether we wish to commit ourselves in this.
having a kid indeed has pros and cons. |
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manofewords
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| 27 Jan 2010 10:21 AM |
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Posted By samliucs on 26 Jan 2010 02:30 PM
As everything said is easy than done and everything also got 2 edges sword if not handle properly. So there is no perfect solution...
Isn't this a place for dialogues, with diverse viewpoints fr diff characters & backgrounds. So what swords?
Not a 'life & death" Q & A session in a courtroom here right?
"Answer the question!" so scary - like those courtroom dramas on chinese TV drama series my grandma watches.
Be cool, like one of our bros here, FD (Stephen Chow Seng Chi's brother)'s response with "Hope you guys are all over 21!" that's the light side of life in our already serious & stern daily chores. Simple humour with wisdom. 
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manofewords
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| 27 Jan 2010 10:26 AM |
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Posted By FD on 26 Jan 2010 03:35 PM
Haha guys, i hope none of the members here are under 21. =)
I'm sixteen, going to seventeen.
The others, mostly my seniors, around 2 to 3 years my senior. |
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calistagal
 I'm a baby Shroomy! Posts:63

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| 27 Jan 2010 10:31 AM |
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you are so young, Manofeword! |
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bluemoon
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| 27 Jan 2010 10:41 AM |
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only 16??!! no wonder still ignorant... |
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henny
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| 27 Jan 2010 10:57 AM |
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Posted By manofewords on 26 Jan 2010 02:05 PM
Posted By samliucs on 26 Jan 2010 10:53 AM
Even one willing to have baby also many other issue like stressful from work, unable to conceive etc. After having baby relate to other problem like upbringing, study etc... so being a parent not so easy many consideration too...
Courtship is not that easy. 9 months of pregnancy is not easy. Labour is not easy. Bringing you up is not easy.
But there you are, now; 90 kgs of you.
If your forefathers think like you during their times of great uneasiness in most things in life, there wouldn't be you.
So, rest easy, and not be lazy, & just do it for the country.
Yes, let's do it for the country, our country wants us to.
Manofewords,
Hope you support the government's call to have more kids and have at least 3 or more when your turn comes.
Just DO IT for the country.
And if you do serve National Service, I hope you enjoy your stint in doing YOUR country proud!
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cjy666
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| 27 Jan 2010 10:58 AM |
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Ok man, let me welcome you again to MHT :) Hope you enjoy yr stay here....^^ OK, 16 to me is not consider young liao... you noe wat's rite and wat's wrong. But you might lack of , i dun mention experience, something I call "understanding of individual responsibility". Yes, love have great power to overcome lots of barrier, love can be very sweet that can melt you instantly, love can oso create wonder that make human species proceed from generation to next generation. But love can oso be quite harmful if is not taken care properly... eg: a young couple fall deeply in love and finally did something wrong out of impulse... are they in love, yes.... but are they ready? the answer is NO, so wat happen if the gal get pregnant? go for abortion? give birth to a baby? then wat's next? Set up a family while but couple still schooling? So responsibility is wat I'm trying to point out here, you have to noe yr limitation, yr capability, yr readiness.... oni if you are clear of all this... and just just LOVE. :) But frankly speaking I love yr post and your view. Do share more with us... BTW... my 16year old was 20 years ago liao... hahahaha
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bluemoon
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| 27 Jan 2010 11:07 AM |
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to bring up a child is never easy...but i'm sure there are many parents out there who has brought up their kids well...provide love & good education for them.. let us not juz look at the negative part...shld also look at the positive aspect too...ask yourself whether can u be a good parents to your kids or not?? if u can, go for it...its a great & wonderful thing to watch a child grow...not everyone got the chance to experience dat.. |
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aeriste
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| 27 Jan 2010 11:16 AM |
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Do it for the country? Your head...
Although I do not mind having one, but thinking of the working schedules of me and my partner, it's better to reconsider before it's too late to know that my child is being neglected. And not forgetting about the finance part... |
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bigmama
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| 27 Jan 2010 11:24 AM |
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Posted By aeriste on 27 Jan 2010 11:16 AM
Do it for the country? Your head...
Although I do not mind having one, but thinking of the working schedules of me and my partner, it's better to reconsider before it's too late to know that my child is being neglected. And not forgetting about the finance part...
I fully agree with you. It's really not easy raising a child, it's a lifetime responsibly so have to consider carefully.
It's easy to make babies, not that difficult to give birth but to start a family, is damn tough.
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calistagal
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| 27 Jan 2010 11:28 AM |
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at the age of 16, is a bit too young to understand how worklife is, how tough the world is, and how much constraints there are...
giving birth is not difficult, but raising the child is really tough now. high standard of living, looking at how expensive the flats are, our current salary... not forget we have liabilities.... |
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Sam Liu
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| 27 Jan 2010 12:44 PM |
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manofewords: I knew its open discussion, however from your typing sound like you are very supportive to your posted question rather than open for discussion... So after knowing you are just 16 even prove that you are still ignorant to real world... and like what some of the bros here had mention, hope you also do what you have asked... |
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manofewords
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| 27 Jan 2010 01:25 PM |
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Posted By calistagal on 27 Jan 2010 11:28 AM
at the age of 16, is a bit too young to understand how worklife is, how tough the world is, and how much constraints there are...
giving birth is not difficult, but raising the child is really tough now. high standard of living, looking at how expensive the flats are, our current salary... not forget we have liabilities....
Those above 16 or now at 61 truly know about life and the real world?
Is that wisdom or maturity to tell ourselves and injecting the belief that life is so hard, money is so hard to get, always not enough, it's a dog eat dog world out there; to your children, and pass on to your childrens' children?
The result is looking and living life in the reverse gear of faith.
Faith is the positive expectation of the good to come.
What you expect and believe, you will get, at least to certain degrees.
Actually what you truly believe right now in your heart, is true to you, as long as you are concerned.
Physically you may have grown, even old now, but spiritually it may not be.
Never brag about one's maturity and knowledge in terms of age, education or experience.
True knowledge is silent, deep in the recess of the heart.
When it is written,"Be fruitful & multiply," have faith in the word.
As faith can bring you this far, faith will bring you through.
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cjy666
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| 27 Jan 2010 02:02 PM |
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bravo.... machiam poem.... man.. u are good... lol. Ok we get yr point... :D |
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henny
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| 27 Jan 2010 02:31 PM |
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manofewords,
You are indeed talented.
You should join the leading political party.
Singapore needs Talents like you to successfully increase the decreasing birth rate.
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Angie28
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| 27 Jan 2010 02:39 PM |
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Hey, we need someone to be in the opposition... u wanna try? =D |
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pelican
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| 27 Jan 2010 03:57 PM |
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Posted By manofewords on 27 Jan 2010 01:25 PM
Those above 16 or now at 61 truly know about life and the real world?
Is that wisdom or maturity to tell ourselves and injecting the belief that life is so hard, money is so hard to get, always not enough, it's a dog eat dog world out there; to your children, and pass on to your childrens' children?
The result is looking and living life in the reverse gear of faith.
Faith is the positive expectation of the good to come.
What you expect and believe, you will get, at least to certain degrees.
Actually what you truly believe right now in your heart, is true to you, as long as you are concerned.
Physically you may have grown, even old now, but spiritually it may not be.
Never brag about one's maturity and knowledge in terms of age, education or experience.
True knowledge is silent, deep in the recess of the heart.
When it is written,"Be fruitful & multiply," have faith in the word.
As faith can bring you this far, faith will bring you through.
Indeed sometimes age, education cannot use to judge someone's maturity. In most cases, younger people lack the experience to understand which is a fact. So you dont have to use rare and unique case to debate your stand of maturity.
Somehow i've met many many young people telling people dont use age to judge their maturity (they thought they are mature, maybe their best friend in secondary sch told them) and when in times of setback in the real world, they fail to recover or stand back up. Of coz when they finally recover, they learnt, that is call experience and that is when their maturity starts to grow with the capability to understand the problem due to experience and how to overcome it.
Experience accumulates over time, it is something that cannot be learn from book. Of coz we cannot discount those youngsters who really are mature with their talented wisdom, grow mature from extreme lifestyle which is one of the rare cases in today's pampered sheltered world.
Perhaps manofewords is one of the mature guys with true silent knowledge and have gone through extreme life that we havent been.
Even i am now 30plus, i admit i am still not mature, still got lots of things to learn. Shame on me.
This proves manofewords' statement is true again.
Wow. manofewords is very insightful.
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samgalz
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| 12 Feb 2010 04:10 PM |
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manofewords: what i've read thru your post is that u are being optimistic for the country. That is good, and very encouraging. U have insights on the issue of maturity, yet another thing to be happy about.
However, I feel that you have not truly experience the social world yet. U are still living in a protected shell provided by your parents. Good in a way for u. Makes me remember the 13 year old UK dad. He is doing his country favour by helping with the population but have you thought about the future for him and his young family?
I am a working mother of a boy and am trying for a second one with no results for years. Doctors say there is something wrong with my productivity cycle. Much as I want to produce, I cannot. Do u give any consideration for people like me? It's not so easy as how u say "Lights out & Action"! It's a heartbreaking cycle each month for me and many out there who faces the same problem.
Also, with one child and both hubby and I are working, we are always trying to squeeze time out to be with our kid. I do not believe in being a weekend parent so I insist on caring for my kid once off work and during weekends. Much as we are trying, we are having a hard time trying to help him with his school work and making sure that we dun neglect him and all these on top of our work. And please note, I am not one of the kiasu parent that makes the child goes to alot of enrichment class.
Also, I was working for a law firm few years ago. I've seen many who enjoy sex and have accidents. People who were in their 16s, 17s 18s.... they be responsible and get married and help increase the population. but what happen years later? They get divorced! And who suffer most? The Children!
Please, I am not saying you are not mature. but you have not experience all these issues, so do not make it sound so simple to just Lights Out & Action. |
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Sam Liu
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| 12 Feb 2010 04:23 PM |
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I total agree samgalz point as manofewords thinking might be what we learn in theory and society, work, problem etc is practical. So sometime theory can not apply on practical... If the real world is so easy as 1 + 1 = 2 then we are really in a perfect world n society... sigh |
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Think
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| 13 Feb 2010 10:00 AM |
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PM Lee's LNY message emphasizes productivity goals, replacing population By S Ramesh, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 13 February 2010 0614 hrs SINGAPORE : Singapore's total fertility rate fell to a record low last year. In his traditional Lunar New Year message, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong addressed the challenges facing the country which include upgrading productivity and the declining birth rate in Singapore. PM Lee said the Year of the Ox began on a challenging note, with Singapore facing its worst economic crisis since its independence. "In the first quarter of 2009, our GDP plunged 10 per cent. But our economy pulled back up so that for the whole year GDP only declined 2.1 per cent. We kept unemployment low, bringing it down to just 2.1 per cent in December. In a recession year, we managed to increase employment by 39,000. Thankfully, our efforts produced a much better outcome than we had feared," said PM Lee. But Singaporeans made a collective effort to find practical solutions to tackle the crisis. Mr Lee said it's because Singaporeans responded as one people that the country prevailed from the economic crisis. But he warned that the people must remain vigilant in the Year of the Tiger. That is because though economies have stabilised there may still be surprises and close calls. So, Singaporeans should be psychologically prepared and not let down their guard too soon. The PM noted that the Economic Strategies Committee has recommended moderating the inflow of foreign workers and raising productivity growth. But Singapore cannot continue importing foreign workers as liberally as before, because it will run up against space constraints. So to make up for this, productivity levels have to go up much faster, and Mr Lee said upgrading productivity is therefore a vital task. PM Lee said: "Importing fewer foreign workers does not mean less competition for Singa¬poreans, because our real competitors are out there in the world, and not here among us. Instead it means that our workers have to work harder to upgrade ourselves. "Only when every citizen is well-trained, and is continually improving his skills and know-how, will Singa¬pore do well, and every citizen better his life. Upgrading productivity is therefore a vital task. "We must not fail, otherwise our economy will stagnate, our city will become less vibrant and our children will enjoy fewer opportunities. By working smart and bringing about this economic transform¬ation, we can exploit the abundant opportunities in Asia, and create more chances for ourselves." Maintaining and rejuvenating the population is another challenge Singapore faces. Despite all efforts, the PM said Singapore's producing far too few babies. Last year the resident total fertility rate (TFR) slid further to 1.23 from 1.28 the year before. This is the lowest Singapore has ever experienced. For the Chinese, Mr Lee said the TFR was even lower, going down from 1.14 to 1.09. The prime minister is worried about this year too, because some Chinese couples prefer not to have children during the Year of the Tiger due to superstitions against children born under this animal sign. He said: "In each of the last three Tiger years (1998, 1986 and 1974), the number of births dipped by 7 per cent. It is one thing to encourage ourselves with the traditional attributes of the zodiac animals. But it is another to cling on to superstitions against children born in the Year of the Tiger, who are really no different from children born under other animal signs." Mr Lee feels regardless of the zodiac sign, Singapore must remain a good place to have and bring up children. He added that the government will continue to support and encourage Singaporeans to have children. Concluding, he hopes that Singaporeans will recall how important families are to them, rejoice that the people have united to overcome a very major challenge, and resolve to make the best of the year ahead. The prime minister wishes all Singaporeans a very happy Year of the Tiger. Click here for full text of PM Lee's Lunar New Year message. - CNA /ls
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