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Not in our backyard - Foreign Workers Issues
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hyacinthus
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| 03 Sep 2008 12:27 PM |
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Wednesday • September 3, 2008
RESIDENTS are used to the food-lovers who invade the area’s eateries on
weekends. But of late, there’s been a buzz of consternation, and a
petition, going around Serangoon Gardens — following rumours of
intrusion of another kind.
The talk, which surfaced last week, is about how an empty
school compound in the middle of the private estate could be turned into
a temporary dormitory to house 1,500 foreign workers.
This has sparked concerns that residents want to raise at a
dialogue session tonight with their Member of Parliament, Mrs Lim Hwee
Hua. The session is part of a planned series, and scheduled to also
attend is Foreign Minister George Yeo, who leads the team for Aljunied
GRC.
Most that Today spoke to had the quiet and the security of
the neighbourhood on their minds. Businessman Yeo Siang Yow, 59, whose
front gate is just 15m away from the gate of the former Serangoon
Gardens Technical School, predicted: “If it turns into a dormitory, the
Singapore Land Authority (SLA) and police will receive complaint
letters every day. The residents here will be watching the workers for
any signs of unruly behaviour.”
Already, some 600 residents have signed a petition urging the SLA, which manages the plot of land, to drop the idea.
Mr Yeo’s next-door neighbour, an elderly woman who declined to
be named, said she understood that foreign workers were “important to
Singapore” and needed a place to stay — but not in the midst of their
residential estate.
“Can you imagine, in the morning when you want to go to work,
all the trucks will be lined up here along this road? “It would be
inconvenient for the workers, too, because their movements and hours
will be even more restricted if they move here,” she added, referring
to a likely curfew.
Mrs Lim said that since the school building was vacated in
2003, residents had been asking what would become of it. “I think they
had been expecting a condominium. Maybe this idea was completely
different from what they had in mind.”
The MP told TODAY the idea to turn the premises into a workers’
hostel was still being assessed by the Ministry for National
Development (MND).
“That will include assessment of traffic, security, safety and
a whole list of issues to see whether the site can support a
dormitory,” said Mrs Lim, who is also Senior Minister of State
(Transport and Finance).
She has heard from residents and – while she points to the
chronic national shortage of dormitories – she feels some of their
concerns, such as traffic congestion, are “fair and valid” and “would
be quite happy to pass on to MND”.
In response to queries, the MND said it was at the preliminary
stage of assessing “all available vacant state buildings”, and has not
decided on which ones are suited for use as short-term dormitories.
Such “transitional dormitories” will meet demand over the next
one to two years; while the Government has recently released 11 new
dormitory sites, to meet the influx of foreign workers across all
sectors, these facilities will take time to build.
Added the MND: “Given that Singapore is becoming more
built-up, it will be an increasing challenge to find suitable sites for
foreign workers.
“Residents may find more foreign workers living in their
midst, or dormitory sites located near to their premises for a short
period of time. We seek their understanding and support.”
The issue has triggered a debate online, with netizens split in their views.
One wrote that a foreign workers’ hostel parked in a private
estate could drive property values down, while another remarked: “No
matter where they are housed, there will be unhappy people”.
This dilemma of housing foreign workers has come up repeatedly
in recent times, with an airing in Parliament as recently as February.
One of the most common gripes from residents: Some foreign workers
cause social problems by loitering in their estates and get rowdy after
drinking alcohol.
At Serangoon Gardens, Mr Lee Mun Yuan, coffeeshop owner said
the influx of foreign workers would likely help boost his business.
“But I don’t think the people here will be too happy,” he said.
“Imagine, you have the rich and foreign workers living in the same
place.”
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hyacinthus
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| 03 Sep 2008 12:32 PM |
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Nobody wants vice, pub, funeral parlor and foreign worker dormitory near their homes. Is it true that there's no better space for such "unwanted" activities? Let's discuss about this here! :) |
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bluemoon
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| 03 Sep 2008 12:34 PM |
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possible to housed these foreign workers on a reclaimed land?? |
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hyacinthus
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| 03 Sep 2008 12:39 PM |
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It's expensive to reclaim land. That's why Downtown Extension is built on reclaim land. Currently, there're workers' dormitories in far end of Jurong and Kaki Bukit. However, it seems that the supply is not enough to meet the demand. SLA's offering to convert empty schools into worker's dormitories is too much for the Serangoon Residents to swallow... |
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bluemoon
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| 03 Sep 2008 12:53 PM |
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can understand their unhappiness....especially if the dormitories are too near to their homes....but i thot we still have some lands at the far end?? if really dun have, then no choice lor have to convert old schools to dormitories.... |
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belyl
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| 03 Sep 2008 01:45 PM |
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Posted By hyacinthus on 09/03/2008 12:39:26 PM
It's expensive to reclaim land.
That's why Downtown Extension is built on reclaim land.
Currently, there're workers' dormitories in far end of Jurong and Kaki Bukit. However, it seems that the supply is not enough to meet the demand.
SLA's offering to convert empty schools into worker's dormitories is too much for the Serangoon Residents to swallow...
Residents interviewed cite reasons like they are afraid that their maids will befriend the foreign workers and invite them into their houses while they are away. Another said she caught a foreign worker trying to steal cashcard from her car (cos there are a few construction sites nearby).
More than 600 residents had signed a petition against converting an unused sch into a dorm for foreign workers.
Another resident was concerned about the traffic conditions in the area if the 1000 workers were to start staying there. She said that sometimes she takes the bus to the food centre. But with 1000 workers living there, there would be so many of them using the bus services. Also the narrow roads in the estate are currently packed with parents sending their kids to the CHIJ there. It is already pretty jammed up during peak hours, so how would it be like if there are lorries picking up and dropping off workers?
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surfers
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| 03 Sep 2008 02:01 PM |
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The garment needs to allocate a space to house all these foreign workers, away from the usual residential area. Is there any space in Jurong island? |
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hyacinthus
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| 03 Sep 2008 03:17 PM |
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Jurong Island is restricted lah... Transportation cost will be an issue too since most construction work is at downtown. I know most dormitories are at extreme ends of Jurong, Kaki Bukit and Lim Chu Kang. |
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surfers
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| 03 Sep 2008 03:21 PM |
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Poor foreign workers, they have no place to go back too. Maybe, garment should build underground lodging. |
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hyacinthus
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| 03 Sep 2008 03:27 PM |
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LOL... underground for MRTs and roads already! |
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surfers
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| 03 Sep 2008 03:34 PM |
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Poor souls, even underground has no room for them. |
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frontosa
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| 03 Sep 2008 06:12 PM |
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Posted By surfers on 09/03/2008 02:01:15 PM
The garment needs to allocate a space to house all these foreign workers, away from the usual residential area. Is there any space in Jurong island?
Why not Tekong?
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hyacinthus
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| 03 Sep 2008 06:14 PM |
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LOL... thought it's a place to train army boys? also, need to take boat. |
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surfuz
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| 04 Sep 2008 12:56 AM |
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An article which is published some time ago...
Foreign workers to be housed next to cemetery
12,000 foreign workers will be housed in two blocks of dormitories less
than 20m from the Muslim cemetery in Lim Chu Kang. Located at the far
end of the cluster of Muslim, Christian and Chinese cemeteries, the
dormitories are isolated. The nearest housing estate and shops are in
Jurong West, at least 5km away. -ST
Nur Dianah Suhaimi
Sun, Mar 02, 2008
The Straits Times
THEIR neighbour is a sprawling cemetery with thousands of graves.
Not quite an ideal place to live in, you say?
But in six months' time, about 12,000 foreign workers will have to live with that reality.
They will be housed in two blocks of dormitories less than 20m from
the Muslim cemetery in Lim Chu Kang. The dormitories will be managed by
the Building and Construction Authority (BCA).
Located at the far end of the cluster of Muslim, Christian and
Chinese cemeteries, the dormitories are isolated. The nearest housing
estate and shops are in Jurong West, at least 5km away.
At night, the cemetery area is pitch dark as there are no lamps
around. As the last few cemetery visitors leave, the place becomes
eerily quiet, lending it a spooky feel.
When told of the dormitories, one migrants' welfare group described
the location as 'social isolation', while half of some 20 foreign
workers polled by The Sunday Times said they would rather not live so
near a cemetery.
There are currently 30 commercially run dormitories for foreign
workers, with another three under construction, including the two in
Lim Chu Kang.
Many are tucked away in the corners of Singapore and found within
industrial estates in areas like Jurong, Boon Lay and Woodlands.
Due to the lack of amenities in the area, the two Lim Chu Kang
dormitories, called Murai One and Murai Two, will be self-contained,
said the BCA.
The dormitories will have their own gymnasium, reading rooms, outdoor games courts, mini-mart, canteen and even a barber shop.
There are about 500,000 foreign workers in Singapore and more are
due to arrive this year to meet the demands of the construction boom.
The influx has resulted in complaints from Singaporeans who feel that their estates are being 'invaded'.
MPs have been fielding complaints from residents that foreign workers drink, litter and even urinate at the void decks.
The Straits Times Forum page regularly receives similar complaints from readers.
The Urban Redevelopment Authority and BCA told The Sunday Times that
a key consideration when choosing dormitory sites is their location.
Said BCA spokesman Leong Ee Leng: 'Residents may not be tolerant of
such facilities being located too near their homes. Generally, workers'
dormitories are located away from existing residential areas.'
Dormitories are also not built too near polluted industrial areas which may pose a safety hazard to the foreign workers.
When The Sunday Times asked 20 foreign workers from India,
Bangladesh and China if they would have any qualms about living beside
the cemetery, half were reluctant because of superstitions associated
with such a site.
Said a 27-year-old Bangladeshi construction worker: 'I don't think I will be able to sleep at night.'
Mr J. Huang, 40, a construction worker from China, said it was bad luck and spooky to live beside a cemetery.
The other 10 said they would not mind but would rather live elsewhere if given a choice.
A recent survey by the Singapore Contractors Association generated different results.
When it got wind of the Murai projects, the association surveyed
1,000 workers of various nationalities to find out if they minded
living near the cemetery. Around 95 per cent said they had no issues
with this.
Said the association's dormitory manager Uonos Mohamed: 'The workers
don't care what is outside as long as the living quarters are
comfortable and transportation to work is available.'
Mr Jolovan Wham, who runs the migrants' welfare group Humanitarian
Organisation for Migration Economics, felt that housing foreign workers
at the cemetery 'is as good as social isolation'.
'Even if the workers are not superstitious, it sends them a clear
signal on where their social position is in our country,' he said.
Mr John Gee, president of Transient Workers Count Too, an advocacy
group for migrant workers, said foreign workers should not be left to
live 'in the wilderness'.
'They need some place where they can have access to shops nearby and are free to step out any time.'
Last year, National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan said that
housing workers on Semakau Island or Pulau Ubin was out of the question
as 'foreign workers need to have easy access to amenities'.
However, cinema manager Ng Hui Ying felt that even if the foreign
workers are housed in a relatively remote place, they are still too
close for comfort.
Ms Ng, 32, has seen foreign workers littering, sleeping and urinating at her void deck in Jurong West.
'These workers are mobile and can visit the nearby housing estates if they want,' she said.
Said a 22-year-old construction worker from India: 'I don't think
Singaporeans like us very much. They need foreign workers to build
their flats but expect us to be invisible.'
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hyacinthus
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| 04 Sep 2008 09:25 AM |
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The last paragraph sounds sad. |
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bluemoon
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| 04 Sep 2008 09:36 AM |
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They shld'nt blame us if we dun like them...blame it on themselves...if they are too near a residential blks, they tend to sit around the void decks & engaged in a few rounds of drinks...they also urinate anywhere they like...that's wat happened to the void deck beside my blk.... |
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hyacinthus
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| 04 Sep 2008 09:37 AM |
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How should they behave so that people would accept them? Can this be achieved through education? |
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bluemoon
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| 04 Sep 2008 09:51 AM |
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dunno educating them will work or not...most of them are so used to the habits they had since young.... |
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belyl
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| 04 Sep 2008 10:22 AM |
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The MP of the area met with the residents yesterday. Approx 250 residents turned up to raise their concerns on this issue with their MP (Mr George Yeo).
One of the residents protesting to having a foreign workers dorm in the estate was a supervisor in charge of foreign workers. He said he had a hard time looking for accomodation for his workers but when told that such a dorm would be built at his estate, he is against it.
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bluemoon
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| 04 Sep 2008 11:38 AM |
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see, even their supervisor who is the resident, is against the idea...becoz he knows them too well!! |
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