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Irresponsible contractor (Beware)
Last Post 24 Dec 2012 11:50 PM by Yewa. 123 Replies.
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lpc
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| 08 Jun 2008 02:54 PM |
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Beware of this contractor.
WAH SOON HUAT TRADING & DECORATION CONTRACTOR
boss is Mr Chew
He is friendly before u engage him and everything also can be done with no charge and no advance payment. however after he has complete the works with sloppy workmanship, eg overlay tiles instead of hacking (he will say that HDB do not allow overlay and you have to pay for hacking works although he does overlay), wavey tiles (water do not flow towards floor trap), patchy paint works, and many more..... (can email me to ask if you wan to know more)
The best part is when u ask him to rectify, he will shout at you and say that he only do tiling work and the other works are dne by his sub-con and he is not liable. Then he will suddenly demand for payment and threaten with lawyer letter.
He also do not co-ordinate his sub-contractors and come and go as they wish. The final price you pay is much higher than the quote he show u initially.
Hope anyone who is considering renovating be aware of this contractor. This has caused much stress in the family and wasted many leave to sort things out on our own.
Can you imagine having to paint over their sloppy work on your own?
or you having to clean up the mess that this contractor left behind?
or be shocked my the many additional items you have to pay at the end? |
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lpc
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| 08 Jun 2008 02:59 PM |
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Btw, anyone ever complaint against a contractor? How you take action against them other than getting HDB in to comment which is like taking years for them to respond?
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sapphyrebaby
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| 08 Jun 2008 07:19 PM |
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have you engaged in a contract/bond beforehand? it is common practice in sg to do so. coz sometimes their workers do shoddy work and you can contest it later using photographs (must have reliable witness, a lawyer or unbiased party) |
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belyl
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| 11 Jun 2008 11:31 AM |
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Posted By lpc on 06/08/2008 02:59:14 PM
Btw, anyone ever complaint against a contractor? How you take action against them other than getting HDB in to comment which is like taking years for them to respond?
Is the contractor a HDB registered contractor or CASE trust registered or RADAC registered contractor? If so, you can feedback to them about the bad services you had been getting.
If not, I think you can also log a case with CASE.
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simpleguy
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| 11 Jun 2008 12:03 PM |
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U can only log a case with CASE but CASE will advise u to claim for Small Tribunal. Talking to RADAC is no use. |
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belyl
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| 11 Jun 2008 12:07 PM |
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Posted By simpleguy on 06/11/2008 12:03:49 PM
U can only log a case with CASE but CASE will advise u to claim for Small Tribunal. Talking to RADAC is no use.
actually in my opnion I felt there is nothing much the agencies could do (except for CASE) even if you log a case with them. I believe they would at most just remove the company name from their list. Other than that what else can the agency do or you want them to do?
Firstly, it is a commericial contract/ arrangement between the contractor and the customer. If the contractor did not fulfill his contractual obligations, then the customer could bring the case up to CASE. And yes, CASE would advise you to log a claim with the Small Claims Tribunal.
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belyl
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| 11 Jun 2008 12:13 PM |
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think lpc need to clarify if the contractor he/she engages is registered with CASE/RADAC etc.
If it's some fly-by-night shop, then this is the risk and consequences the owner have to face when works and services are not delivered according to contract. And in the 1st place, is there a contract being drawn up and signed by both parties?
Also, it would be good to substantiate your claims against the contractor if you have proof (eg photos). This would help if the owner intend to lodge a case with CASE or sue the contractor (in extreme cases)
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belyl
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| 11 Jun 2008 12:21 PM |
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Think it's safer to get a contractor that's reputable. But there would also be one or two black sheep once in a while too. For me, I got mine thru word of mouth.
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bluemoon
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| 11 Jun 2008 02:27 PM |
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the company dat lpc mentioned is under the HDB registered reno constractors!! |
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belyl
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| 11 Jun 2008 02:32 PM |
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I think he/she mentioned that he/she feedbacked to HDB abt this and is pending their reply.
as mentioned earlier, ipc could log a case with CASE
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belyl
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| 11 Jun 2008 02:33 PM |
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Extracted from HDB website
HDB Registered Renovation Contractors' Scheme
The
HDB Registered Renovation Contractors' Scheme (RRCS) was introduced to
regulate and control the activities of Registered Renovation
Contractors (RRCs) when they carry out renovation works in HDB flats.
This is to ensure that they do not cause damage to HDB's property or
nuisance to the residents.
HDB Registered Renovation Contractors (RRCs) are required to observe
and comply with the terms and conditions governing the HDB RRCs Scheme.
HDB will take appropriate action against HDB RRCs who have infringed
the terms of the registration scheme.
![Hide details for [<span class="SectionHeader">]Actions Taken For Infringements[</span>]](http://www.hdb.gov.sg/icons/collapse.gif) Actions Taken For Infringements
HDB introduced a Demerit Point System (DPS) for infringements of
renovation and administrative rules under the HDB Registered Renovation
Contractors’ Scheme (RRCS). This takes effect from 1 Oct 2006.
As it is a transparent point system, it allows the RRCs to
self-regulate and maintain good performance. It also helps to remind
those who have infringed some of the rules that they need to improve
their performance so as not to accumulate more demerit points.
Under the HDB RRCS, the types of action taken against errant RRCs
depends on the nature and severity of the infringement. Examples are
given below:
- For minor infringements (e.g. replacement of floor tiles without
prior approval), the fines range from $500 to $2,000 and 3 to 12
demerit points.
- For major infringements (e.g. hacking/removal of structural
members), the fines range from $3,000 to $5,000 with a debarment period
ranging from 3 to 5 years. For very serious cases, debarment could be
indefinite.
HDB will suspend the renovation registration of an RRC who has
accumulated a maximum of 24 demerit points within the 24-month period.
The suspension is one year. If an RRC has accumulated more than the
maximum 24 points over a 24-month period, the excess points will roll
over to the next registration period. For more serious infringements,
the renovation registration will be revoked even if the maximum number
of demerit points has not been reached.
If there is a dispute between the flat owner and his renovation
contractor on the pricing, work schedule, type and quality of the
renovation works, both parties will have to resolve the matter between
themselves. If they cannot settle their dispute amicably, both parties
could seek assistance through the Small Claims Tribunal or seek legal
redress through court proceedings.
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lpc
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| 16 Jun 2008 10:48 PM |
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Hi all, Thank u for the response. I had tried to contact HDB for their assistance. They had sent a technical officer to take measurements on the floor to roof height and after many emails, eventually say that they have not violated the restriction on the screed thickness. I even hear that contractor telling the HDB officer that he had not done much hacking.... don't really know HDB is helping flat owners or contractors. BTW that contractor is HDB registered. I had also approached CASE, but was told that if there is no written standard on requirements, then there is no case even if the contractor has created wavy patterns to the floor tiles.... very sad... |
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belyl
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| 17 Jun 2008 10:12 AM |
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u mentioned that the water do not flow towards the gully trap after washing. Take pics of that as proof. Did you also take pics when the Tech officer from HDB came down to inspect on those problem areas u highlighted?
Erm can't rem if you mentioned on the tiles uneveness. There is an industry practice called the coin check.
If you put a coin on tile A and move it to tile B and if the coin hits the edge of tile B and u cannot smoothly move the coin over, then the tile is not layed evenly. I learnt this when HDB officers came down to inspect my flat when I complain to them about all the probs in the flat when I took over from them.
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lpc
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| 28 Jun 2008 08:37 AM |
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yes. I have been working in HDB once. so I know about their practices. But this guy from HDB look suspiciously is on the side of the contractor. If I had wanted to pursue the matter, I would have lodge a CPIB case. but I was too stressed and busy during this periof to pursue. by the way, yours is a new flat, so it is under DLP. HDB guys would mine to point out the defects. but mine is reno contractor, they seem rather careful when dealing with them. |
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belyl
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| 28 Jun 2008 03:38 PM |
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Posted By lpc on 06/28/2008 08:37:22 AM
yes. I have been working in HDB once. so I know about their practices. But this guy from HDB look suspiciously is on the side of the contractor. If I had wanted to pursue the matter, I would have lodge a CPIB case. but I was too stressed and busy during this periof to pursue.
by the way, yours is a new flat, so it is under DLP. HDB guys would mine to point out the defects.
but mine is reno contractor, they seem rather careful when dealing with them.
ya mine is a new flat. When I got my keys I checked every corner of the house for defects cos my next door neighbour was kind enuff to tell us that there is a lot of defects when they took over the flat from HDB also. Esp the floor tiles.
Other than uneveness and water cannot flow into the floor trap... tiles were cracked, badly scratched (very very obvious) One 1 mtre long scratch in my dining area. It's like 80% of the tiles are faulty (either cracked or scratched badly or tat area the water cannot flow to floor trap. So i suggest to the HDB officer tat it would be bettre to hack the entire house tiles and then relay again... they insisted on cutting up the piece by piece for replacement.. I told him it dun make sense. And that's when he demonstrated the 10 cent coin method to check floor uneveness... and for all the 3 examples he tried to demo to me all 3 showed uneveness and he was utterly embarassed.. haha.. and I took pics.
And also the toilet flushing system... when u flush u see bubbles coming out... meaning the workers might had dump something into it before the sub con hand back the flat to HDB... so HDB rectified tat too. Alot of defects... long list. And everything I took pics ... else later on no evidence very hard dispute
And now alot of cameras comes with video function .. so u can also film down the process also
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Poyet
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| 24 Dec 2008 12:11 PM |
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hi all,
was wondering if any one had any bad experiences with contractors when renovating their house?
Or ermmm... any particular contractor(s) you may have heard off and should be avoided?
Gonna do up my home soon so want see if i can get any useful advise.
Thanks all.
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renee
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| 24 Dec 2008 12:11 PM |
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Posted By Poyet on 12/23/2008 11:37:28 PM
hi all,
was wondering if any one had any bad experiences with contractors when renovating their house?
Or ermmm... any particular contractor(s) you may have heard off and should be avoided?
Gonna do up my home soon so want see if i can get any useful advise.
Thanks all.
hi, a topic on bad experinece with contractor has been started - subject title : Beware of this irresponsible contractor
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belyl
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| 24 Dec 2008 12:24 PM |
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I had moved the posting and combined with this existing one and renamed it to "Irresponsible contractor (Beware). You can continue discussions on the above-mentioned topic here.
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Poyet
 I'm a baby Shroomy! Posts:36

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| 24 Dec 2008 11:26 PM |
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Posted By belyl on 06/11/2008 11:31:07 AM
Posted By lpc on 06/08/2008 02:59:14 PM
Btw, anyone ever complaint against a contractor? How you take action against them other than getting HDB in to comment which is like taking years for them to respond?
Is the contractor a HDB registered contractor or CASE trust registered or RADAC registered contractor? If so, you can feedback to them about the bad services you had been getting.
If not, I think you can also log a case with CASE.
Hi belyl, just to confirm. Only HDB registered contractors are allowed to undertake jobs for reno of hdb houses?
recently i was searching up on a contractor that did a poor reno job for someone i know.
i couldnt find him in the registered contractor list (i was rather surprised actually though he claim he is).
Assuming he is really NOT registered with HDB, is it an illegal practice to engage him?
i'm puzzled how he even got his permit to start work.
able to advise?
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sunnymushy
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| 25 Dec 2008 12:26 AM |
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WAH SOON HUAT TRADING & DECORATION CONTRACTOR boss is Mr Chew this contractor have one of the most complains by residents... mainly for workmanship and contractual matters. he got fines n points, but just not enough to blacklist him totally yet... |
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